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Ryan Lambert · Jul 20, 2009

What stands out for me is the excellent exposure on a back-lit subject. The lack of detail from some of the feathers is most probably from the hotspots you "tamed". I would most probably go about +5 on the contrast of the subject to try and lift it from the BG a tad more, not sure what you think? Having said that the subject is extremely sharp especially at that FL, and the eyes have a super amount of detail in them.

Juan Aragonés · Jul 20, 2009

Haey Artie, glad to hear that you enjoyed so much the travel and hope to see some of the images that you made in Galapagoes.
This portrait is just stunning. It is amazing how well digital bodies and lenses manage the backlights, really good (of course, the photographer has to make the camera to work properly)

The Bg is just outstanding and I like the composition a lot. That open bill rocks and the eyes are cristal clear.
I think that the image needs just a bit of increased contrast and removing what seems to my a blue cast in th ehorny parts of the beak.

Very good portrait

Juan Carlos Vindas · Jul 20, 2009

I really enjoy seen at this image. It's powerful and the BG clean as I like it. Beautiful subject indeed.
Could be my eyes but I see something like a bluish line right on top of the head. (do this have to do with the refine edge tool?)

Juan Carlos Vindas · Jul 20, 2009

Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

This is what I mean.

Stu Bowie · Jul 21, 2009

You couldnt have timed it better. Great head on capture, love the open beak, and with excellent eye contact. Im sure you came away with some fantastic images.

Arthur Morris · Jul 21, 2009

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Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

Juan Carlos Vindas said:
I really enjoy seen at this image. It's powerful and the BG clean as I like it. Beautiful subject indeed. Could be my eyes but I see something like a bluish line right on top of the head. (do this have to do with the refine edge tool?)

Yes, there is a bluish line there. It likely came from a poor choice of settings with Refine Edge as the line is not evident in the original.... In view of all the great suggestions here I do need to re-do this image at some point.

You guys are too sharp-eyed for me!

ps: Do you see any trace of the blue line in the image here?

Jay Gould · Jul 21, 2009

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Hi Artie, on my laptop I saw a faint (1 pixel?) blue line so I downloaded to LR to crop further and then went to PS to add some white to help the blue standout. There is blue there if that is what you are looking for - at least it appears blue to me.

I am assuming you are asking/saying that there should not be any blue whatsoever at the top of the head.

I did see it in the original image; I guess I wrongly assumed that is should be there because of all of the blue in the beak area I thought the feathers too should have the blue cast.

Eagle-eyed Juan has just taught me not to accept anything is necessarily right.

There is a blue cast on the chest too that I thought was correct.

This certainly establishes the need to truly be an ornithologist when it comes to not only correctly identifying a bird, and also exactly how the bird is supposed to appear.

Thanks again for the teaching experience whether intentional or not. I love this place; it rocks!

Arthur Morris · Jul 21, 2009

Thanks Jay. Do you see any trace of the blue line in the image in pane 28?

Jay Gould · Jul 21, 2009

Yes, that is why I took the trouble to do the download. I didn't download the original; I downloaded pane 28. Hope that helps.

Artie, I don't mind saying publicly "it is really tough" for a newbie like myself to say anything negative about your images or any of the Masters here on BPN. That fact that you/and they invite open critiques speaks so highly it is beyond words. Thank you.

Arthur Morris · Jul 21, 2009

Jay Gould said:
Yes, that is why I took the trouble to do the download. I didn't download the original; I downloaded pane 28. Hope that helps.

Artie, I don't mind saying publicly "it is really tough" for a newbie like myself to say anything negative about your images or any of the Masters here on BPN. That fact that you/and they invite open critiques speaks so highly it is beyond words. Thank you.

Hi Again Jay, Actually I am glad that there is a faint line in the original (pane 28). Would you agree that it is more prominent in JC's post in pane 26?

There are a few things that I would like to note with regards to your second set of comments. I have stated repeatedly that while I have a great eye for form and shape and COMP I do not have a good eye at all for fine detail, so lots of times the sharp-eyed folks here are of great help to me. (See above and the fish-eye sea-lion in Wildlife....) So I do invite open critiques.

That said, I have felt on some occasions that folks invent negative stuff just so that they can take a shot at Mr. Famous Bird Photographer. That happened much more during the first six months of BPN than recently. Whenever it happened I would defend my images politely and repeatedly. Some folks even commented that I should not be defensive since I always state, "Don't be shy; all comments welcome."

All comments are welcome but they need to be accurate not invented

Lastly, all are reminded that critiques should be based on the originally posted JPEG not on enlargements or super-enlargements of the downloaded JPEGs.

I am giving JC a free pass here as he did see the blue line in the image in pane 1

Do note that the first 15 or so folks missed that.

Jay Gould · Jul 21, 2009

Artie, I am not sure where you going with this?

And, BTW, what is the free pass business?

The faint blue line is more prominent in #26 than #28, and it is more prominent in #29 than #28 because I had to enlarge it to bring it out and I added the white canvass to help the eye see blue against the white (even though the green is between the blue line and the white).

Of course, the blue line is more prominent in #26 than in the OP too.

Mate, I am not sure I understand this statement:

"critiques should be based on the originally posted JPEG not on enlargements or super-enlargements of the downloaded JPEGs."

There is a faint blue line in the OP, and it is highlighted by the enlargement in #26. Aren't they one and the same, and #26 is simply an enlargement of the OP to illuminate Juan's identification of the blue line?

??

Arthur Morris · Jul 21, 2009

Hi Jay,

re:

I am not sure where you going with this?

If you are still confused after my commments below please let me know what confuses you.

And, BTW, what is the free pass business?

In my letter to the community, I wrote: "We ask that you not find fault with an image that has been enlarged, darkened, or otherwise manipulated (by you).

As I stated above, I did not bust JC for enlarging the image to find a problem because he did see the blue line in the original post. Thus I gave him a free pass.

The faint blue line is more prominent in #26 than #28, and it is more prominent in #29 than #28 because I had to enlarge it to bring it out and I added the white canvass to help the eye see blue against the white (even though the green is between the blue line and the white).

I have no problem at all with that.

Of course, the blue line is more prominent in #26 than in the OP too.

I guess that that is where I was going. It shows that there were indeed problems with my slection and Refine Eddge settings. I will try and see if I can make a better selection and cleaner edges.

Mate, I am not sure I understand this statement:

"critiques should be based on the originally posted JPEG not on enlargements or super-enlargements of the downloaded JPEGs."

In my letter to the community (as above) I neglected to include the words "by you," at the end of that sentence. You are the 2nd person to have been confused. I shall make that point clear in a follow-up.

In the above quote, this makes things clearer:

"critiques should be based on the originally posted JPEG not on enlargements or super-enlargements of the downloaded JPEGs created by the person critiquing the image."

In other words, restrict your comments to stuff that you can see in the original post. At times, folks will enlarge or intentionally darken a posted JPEG in order to find something negative to say.

There is a faint blue line in the OP, and it is highlighted by the enlargement in #26. Aren't they one and the same, and #26 is simply an enlargement of the OP to illuminate Juan's identification of the blue line?

Agree.

Jay Gould · Jul 21, 2009

Arthur Morris;304799]Hi Jay,

Hi Artie, perhaps because for us it is bed time I am not clear on what you are saying

re:

I am not sure where you going with this?

If you are still confused after my comments below please let me know what confuses you.

And, BTW, what is the free pass business?

In my letter to the community, I wrote: "We ask that you not find fault with an image that has been enlarged, darkened, or otherwise manipulated (by you).

<link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CJay%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><link rel="themeData" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CJay%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_themedata.thmx"><link rel="colorSchemeMapping" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CJay%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_colorschememapping.xml"><style>  </style> On a related note, please base your comments on the image as viewed at the posted resolution. We ask that you not find fault with an image that has been enlarged, darkened, or otherwise manipulated.

This is the comment you are referring to. You have now added "by you".

I am confused on two level/different points.

As to the original statement, almost all images on BPN have been enlarged, darkened, or otherwise manipulated. Simply cropping an image enlarges the persentation; PP is encouraged. It appears that there is a conflict between the two sentences quoted.

When you add "by you" I am a bit more confused - why would I find fault with something I enlarged etc?

I would assume that PP someone else's image is done to suggest a different presentation. Why would I find fault with a RP?

I am sorry if I am being dense.

As I stated above, I did not bust JC for enlarging the image to find a problem because he did see the blue line in the original post. Thus I gave him a free pass.

What do you mean by a "free pass"? That what he did was OK; that he doesn't get demerit points? Again, I think I saw that term used once before and didn't ask about it. Now I am asking in this context.

The faint blue line is more prominent in #26 than #28, and it is more prominent in #29 than #28 because I had to enlarge it to bring it out and I added the white canvass to help the eye see blue against the white (even though the green is between the blue line and the white).

I have no problem at all with that.

Of course, the blue line is more prominent in #26 than in the OP too.

I guess that that is where I was going. It shows that there were indeed problems with my slection and Refine Eddge settings. I will try and see if I can make a better selection and cleaner edges.

Mate, I am not sure I understand this statement:

"critiques should be based on the originally posted JPEG not on enlargements or super-enlargements of the downloaded JPEGs."

In my letter to the community (as above) I neglected to include the words "by you," at the end of that sentence. You are the 2nd person to have been confused. I shall make that point clear in a follow-up.

In the above quote, this makes things clearer:

"critiques should be based on the originally posted JPEG not on enlargements or super-enlargements of the downloaded JPEGs created by the person critiquing the image."

Mate, this is not clear and needs to be refined. If you didn't see something in the image as posted, why would you enlarge or super-enlarge to go on a fishing expedition?

In other words, restrict your comments to stuff that you can see in the original post. At times, folks will enlarge or intentionally darken a posted JPEG in order to find something negative to say.

Frankly, none of us have time for what you just described. If a person frequently/consistently can be seen to doing what you have just described, well - it is your Forum/you are the owner/ - identify the problem and deal with it. Invite such a person who goes hunting for something negative to say to take his comments elsewhere.

Intentionally trying to find something negative to say is like crying "fire" in a movie theater. Free speech has it limitations!!

There is a faint blue line in the OP, and it is highlighted by the enlargement in #26. Aren't they one and the same, and #26 is simply an enlargement of the OP to illuminate Juan's identification of the blue line?

Agree. [/quote]

Good night, Mate. Catch you my manana.

Arthur Morris · Jul 21, 2009

Yes, some folks enlarge or darken an image in order to find a problem that is not evident in the JPEG. So that makes them images enlarged or darkened by the person doing the critique....

If that does not clear things up, maybe sleep will.

Jay Gould · Jul 21, 2009

Arthur Morris said:
Yes, some folks enlarge or darken an image in order to find a problem that is not evident in the JPEG. So that makes them images enlarged or darkened by the person doing the critique....

If that does not clear things up, maybe sleep will.

Good Morning! Catch someone repeatedly doing what you describe and I/WE? will support showing them the door!

Arthur Morris · Jul 21, 2009

Good night!

Juan Carlos Vindas · Jul 21, 2009

Arthur Morris said:
Yes, there is a bluish line there. It likely came from a poor choice of settings with Refine Edge as the line is not evident in the original.... In view of all the great suggestions here I do need to re-do this image at some point.

You guys are too sharp-eyed for me!

ps: Do you see any trace of the blue line in the image here?

Yes sir I do!

Juan Carlos Vindas · Jul 21, 2009

Arthur Morris said:
Yes, there is a bluish line there. It likely came from a poor choice of settings with Refine Edge as the line is not evident in the original.... In view of all the great suggestions here I do need to re-do this image at some point.

You guys are too sharp-eyed for me!

ps: Do you see any trace of the blue line in the image here?

Dear Arthur.

My intention to point out the bluish line is not because I am looking for diminutive faults in your or other member's work.

I thing I really like from this site is the way we all share our thoughts and hope that no one will get upset.
You see my work one way, I see yours in a different way, but that is, I believe, what makes our skills better. You can see things that to me could be insignificant, but if I have an open mind then I can learn a good deal of things and techniques that will help me and just me in getting better images, not just when I press the shutter but also after in the computer.

I am glad I did not enlarge your image. I in fact can see the same bluish line in the 3 versions above but it does not mean that the image loose image quality for that. Is just my personal observation and I know that may be some members could think that I am a picky person, well, I know one thing for sure and that is: if I want to become a better photographer I first must see other people's work, see where their work could be improved and try to use that information for my own improvement.
I hope I am not been too fussy for that. jc

Arthur Morris · Jul 22, 2009

Juan Carlos Vindas said:
Dear Arthur.

My intention to point out the bluish line is not because I am looking for diminutive faults in your or other member's work.

I thing I really like from this site is the way we all share our thoughts and hope that no one will get upset.
You see my work one way, I see yours in a different way, but that is, I believe, what makes our skills better. You can see things that to me could be insignificant, but if I have an open mind then I can learn a good deal of things and techniques that will help me and just me in getting better images, not just when I press the shutter but also after in the computer.

I am glad I did not enlarge your image. I in fact can see the same bluish line in the 3 versions above but it does not mean that the image loose image quality for that. Is just my personal observation and I know that may be some members could think that I am a picky person, well, I know one thing for sure and that is: if I want to become a better photographer I first must see other people's work, see where their work could be improved and try to use that information for my own improvement. I hope I am not been too fussy for that. jc

I appreciate your taking a close look at this and all of my images. Your suggestions can only help me improve. And, as we both said, you were able to spot the problem in the originally posted JPEG so enlarging it after that is fine with me.

So thanks again for your help! I look forward to meeting you in CR one day.

Juan Carlos Vindas · Jul 22, 2009

Arthur Morris said:
I appreciate your taking a close look at this and all of my images. Your suggestions can only help me improve. And, as we both said, you were able to spot the problem in the originally posted JPEG so enlarging it after that is fine with me.

So thanks again for your help! I look forward to meeting you in CR one day.

Hola maestro!

That would be my pleasure.

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